Let me say that I am a left leaning, tax and spend, bleeding heart, democratic socialist pinko. Always have been and always will be. But to declare yourself to be a democratic republic and then imprison and murder all dissent, destroy the freedom of the press, and outright ban emigration is plenty enough reason to revolt anew. In this respect while Castro may have overturned the evil and corrupt Bastia regime, driven imperialistic monopolies from his country, and educated all of his people, in my eyes he was still no better than Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot , Hitler, et. al. Ever notice that in pictures and video of Havana Harbor there are absolutely no boats visible? There is reason for that. I'm not sad to see the end of an era but hopeful for the beginning of a better one.
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I'm not gonna argue this here--it's what I do for a living and I'm not here to replicate that. But in contrast to the folks Johnny D names above, Fidel helped far more than he hurt, at home and abroad. But a dictator is a dictator is dictator.
Cuba had a few perks like free schools,including college and free medical care for all. However, a Doctor only earned about $28 a month.
Many of the trains were free to ride but they were all leftovers from the sugar industry, 50 to 60 years old and they had to manufacture by hand all parts for repair.
And there was finally a two tier system, one for people with money and one for the other 90+ percent of the people. And no, Doctors were not part of the top tier.
I was spent time in Cuba 30 years ago.... Most people at that time lived through the American backed dictator Baptiste's regime. Most appreciated what the revolution had brought to them, let us not forget it was commie hating Eisenhower who refused to see him when he travelled to the states in 1960, what followed was sadly for Cuba the Russian mafia's takeover. And if you are stupid enough to mistake socialism for communism you could end up with someone like Trump as your president rather than someone like Bernie Sanders.
But it was America that banned the rest of the world from trading with them (deal with them and we will punish you economically.... to me that's Capitalism nor Democracy and just as ugly as Communism). There are plenty of thing that were wrong towards the end of Fidel's reign, but as RYP and Anon stated he did more good for a country and people he loved.
Oh and by the way the Cubans have hopefully given the world a chance to cure cancer (much thanks goes to the regimes health service), which I am sure will be exploited by and make many more billions for big pharmaceutical companies than were lost from bacardi and the hotels.
there's about 11 million people now; there was about 7 million when the revolutionaries came to power. They shot about 500 military officers right off the bat and over the years probably executed another 1000+ "counterrevolutionaries." Many more (1000s) supposed counterrevolutionaries were sent to "work" camps to serve stints.
I'm not sure how you steal property from people who leave and choose not to come back, but I suppose that's a definitional issue.
LGBTQ folk were absolutely discriminated against and some of them sent to "reeducation" camps...the same thing, OBTW, that Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, et al support in the US. Actually, they add an ugly twist to it, arguing that electroshock therapy can "cure" "homosexuality."
before the barbudos kicked batista's arse, cuba was in total one big mafia brothel and cheapo las vegas with much appreciation by the oh so democratic yankee bastards. in those times noone lost a single word about the fact, that the battista clan literally enslaved the countryside people and kept them starving and in total poverty. most of those, who fled to miami were the profiteurs of that big brothel- capitalists and mafia bastards. that is the main reason, why the usa didn't hesitate to show castro the door when he looked for help and drove him with pig bay and similar shit right into the hands of nikita c.- what happened then, you can read in every history book. castro wasn't a communist from the start, but they didn't leave him a choice.
if there's something that let people live in poverty the last 50 years, then it is the fucking embargo by the yanks and cuba's refusal to become a part of the warsaw pact. but at least nobody starved to death any more, analphabetism was completely extincted and a healthcare system was invented which is literally the best on earth- btw. have a closer look at the democratic usa in hindsight of all those things.
the yankees in coop with the mafia tried more than 20 times in vain to assassinate castro and still i could see with my very own eyesraul castro been driven through havanna by car with absolutely no security staff around him. please show me a single country of the oh so democratic ones where this can happen without a lynchmob instantly killing our corrupt leader bastards of the free west.
btw. there is still a "free" spot on cuba which is occupied by the glorious us of a: it's called guantanamo bay...
the rationalizations and admiration of oppressors by some living in freedom is an on-going mystery.
when lil' kim dies expect to hear how he was so beloved that women wept with joy in his presence, his parades were awesome, and of course most importantly, how he stood up to evil america. smh
I decided in my earlier comment not to mention Cuba's involvement in helping to put an end to apartheid in Southern Africa.
Or their brilliant education system (as with their health service FREE TO ALL).
Or the fact that Fidel realised the power of traditional music making musicians civil servants. Without which most of the Afro, Afro-Cuban Jazz, Bolero, Canción, Chachachá, Charanga, Conga Contradanza, Criolla, Cubatón, Danzón, Descarga, Guajira, Guaracha, Hip Hop, Mambo, Mozambique, Nueva Trova, Pachanga, Pilón, Pregón, Punto Guajiro ,Rock, Rumba (guaguancó, columbia, yambú, batá-rumba, guarapachangueo, Son, Songo, Timba and Trova would have died away long long ago.
Oh and by the way as regards Guantanamo Bay (that little piece of the island the US likes to do it's torturing) America pays the Cuban government $4,085 for more than 50 years now, they have refused to cash the cheques because it hasn't recognised the legitimacy of the lease the US entered into with the country in 1901.
when we can put up a sign like this in the US or Britain (not to mention any other country in the Americas) then you can denounce Cuba's dictatorship https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profesionalespcm.org%2Fcuba%2FCuba97%2Fninguno.gif&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profesionalespcm.org%2FInfancia%2FSaveTheChildrenPornografiaInfantil.html&docid=ObevvFFSJAfiXM&tbnid=0JSLeOBQlR4voM%3A&vet=1&w=338&h=236&bih=627&biw=1366&ved=0ahUKEwjussymx8nQAhWk6oMKHZZSDq44ZBAzCBYoFDAU&iact=mrc&uact=8
gays and lesbians were sent to do forced labor at UMAP concentration camps. the entire island was stolen. most of the houses and buildings are from the Batista regime. You can become a doctor there in a couple of months. That why Fidel was sick he flew in doctors from Spain. LOL There is no medicines we have to send from here. Nothing but misery and hunger. But wait! its our fault, we are supposed to underwrite a system whose basis is to destroy us. communism is supposed to destroy capitalism not leech off of it forever. LOL
would you be so nice to tell us which country you'd prefer? the usa? supporter of all fascist regimes in the whole world since ww2, fucking up the whole middle east since the brits made the coup against mossadegh? germany, whose cancellor merkel has her head up the arse of the openly islamofascist bastard erdocunt, who genozides the ethnic minorities of his very own country openly with warplanes and heavy artillery and jails and tortures every single critic person? russia with this crazy putin or better nazi-coup-ukraine with the help of the nato? i could go on for ages.
Somewhere in Hell, Satan is praising Castro for his deeds and gave him his very own sulphur pit. The sulphur pit is located next to Reagan's brimstone walkway, across from Stalin's labyrinth of thorns, and behind Hitler's lava lake.
I don't approve the death penalty and that means one person or a thousand, but let's discuss facts, not propaganda. Where did you read that 150.000 people were executed in Cuba?
The kind of guy who would kill off the middle class of his country for political reasons even though they joined forces with him during the revolution is the kind of guy who would provide free indoctrination to the 'countryside people'. Somehow that unimaginable death and destruction is justified because he supposedly helped more people than he hurt? Only if you let the Commies do the counting and define help will that ever be true.
@Tony Cope Since you think us Yankee bastards are 'stupid enough to mistake socialism for communism' perhaps you could tell us who said "The aim of Socialism is Communism.' ?
@bearfromDE RR wasn't perfect but even on his worst day he isn't in the company of those vile beasts. FC could be in heaven now for all we know. He could've repented at the last mo...
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Let me say that I am a left leaning, tax and spend, bleeding heart, democratic socialist pinko. Always have been and always will be. But to declare yourself to be a democratic republic and then imprison and murder all dissent, destroy the freedom of the press, and outright ban emigration is plenty enough reason to revolt anew. In this respect while Castro may have overturned the evil and corrupt Bastia regime, driven imperialistic monopolies from his country, and educated all of his people, in my eyes he was still no better than Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot , Hitler, et. al.
Ever notice that in pictures and video of Havana Harbor there are absolutely no boats visible? There is reason for that.
I'm not sad to see the end of an era but hopeful for the beginning of a better one.
And now back to our regular programming. Which is music, isn't it?
fuckin dictator hope he's burnin in hell. Can't u remember the Ramones 2nd rule ? Don't talk to commies
Luca Bellucci Sessa,
maybe you'll meet him there, It's nice warm there...
I'm not gonna argue this here--it's what I do for a living and I'm not here to replicate that. But in contrast to the folks Johnny D names above, Fidel helped far more than he hurt, at home and abroad. But a dictator is a dictator is dictator.
Ol'Anon
"Fidel helped far more than he hurt, at home and abroad. But a dictator is a dictator is dictator."
Ol'Anon, I'm with you... he's polarizing!
Uncle Gil sent me a nice song: Here s the Castro Rock by Jay Chevalier. Enjoy! Robyn
http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/OImOTizn/file.html
he shot millions, stole property from millions, sent gays and lesbians to concentration camps, turned Cuba into a toilet. may he roast in hell
Well, he outlived Kennedy by 53 years. But I have to ask, is Cuba any better off than it was before him?
That's a joke, son.
with castro finally dying at 90, the old saying that only the good die young, is once again confirmed.
Hopefully the dog will get rabies.Leon
Cuba had a few perks like free schools,including college and free medical care for all. However, a Doctor only earned about $28 a month.
Many of the trains were free to ride but they were all leftovers from the sugar industry, 50 to 60 years old and they had to manufacture by hand all parts for repair.
And there was finally a two tier system, one for people with money and one for the other 90+ percent of the people. And no, Doctors were not part of the top tier.
Saw that on a PBS Special.
Communists are red-painted fashists.Period.
I was spent time in Cuba 30 years ago.... Most people at that time lived through the American backed dictator Baptiste's regime.
Most appreciated what the revolution had brought to them, let us not forget it was commie hating Eisenhower who refused to see him when he travelled to the states in 1960, what followed was sadly for Cuba the Russian mafia's takeover.
And if you are stupid enough to mistake socialism for communism you could end up with someone like Trump as your president rather than someone like Bernie Sanders.
But it was America that banned the rest of the world from trading with them (deal with them and we will punish you economically.... to me that's Capitalism nor Democracy and just as ugly as Communism).
There are plenty of thing that were wrong towards the end of Fidel's reign, but as RYP and Anon stated he did more good for a country and people he loved.
Oh and by the way the Cubans have hopefully given the world a chance to cure cancer (much thanks goes to the regimes health service), which I am sure will be exploited by and make many more billions for big pharmaceutical companies than were lost from bacardi and the hotels.
goomy writes
''he shot millions, stole property from millions, sent gays and lesbians to concentration camps, turned Cuba into a toilet. may he roast in hell''
How many people actually live in Cuba?
Well said, Tony Cope!
there's about 11 million people now; there was about 7 million when the revolutionaries came to power. They shot about 500 military officers right off the bat and over the years probably executed another 1000+ "counterrevolutionaries." Many more (1000s) supposed counterrevolutionaries were sent to "work" camps to serve stints.
I'm not sure how you steal property from people who leave and choose not to come back, but I suppose that's a definitional issue.
LGBTQ folk were absolutely discriminated against and some of them sent to "reeducation" camps...the same thing, OBTW, that Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, et al support in the US. Actually, they add an ugly twist to it, arguing that electroshock therapy can "cure" "homosexuality."
what a time to be alive.
Ol'Anon
before the barbudos kicked batista's arse, cuba was in total one big mafia brothel and cheapo las vegas with much appreciation by the oh so democratic yankee bastards. in those times noone lost a single word about the fact, that the battista clan literally enslaved the countryside people and kept them starving and in total poverty. most of those, who fled to miami were the profiteurs of that big brothel- capitalists and mafia bastards. that is the main reason, why the usa didn't hesitate to show castro the door when he looked for help and drove him with pig bay and similar shit right into the hands of nikita c.- what happened then, you can read in every history book. castro wasn't a communist from the start, but they didn't leave him a choice.
if there's something that let people live in poverty the last 50 years, then it is the fucking embargo by the yanks and cuba's refusal to become a part of the warsaw pact. but at least nobody starved to death any more, analphabetism was completely extincted and a healthcare system was invented which is literally the best on earth- btw. have a closer look at the democratic usa in hindsight of all those things.
the yankees in coop with the mafia tried more than 20 times in vain to assassinate castro and still i could see with my very own eyesraul castro been driven through havanna by car with absolutely no security staff around him. please show me a single country of the oh so democratic ones where this can happen without a lynchmob instantly killing our corrupt leader bastards of the free west.
btw. there is still a "free" spot on cuba which is occupied by the glorious us of a: it's called guantanamo bay...
the rationalizations and admiration of oppressors by some living in freedom is an on-going mystery.
when lil' kim dies expect to hear how he was so beloved that women wept with joy in his presence, his parades were awesome, and of course most importantly, how he stood up to evil america. smh
I decided in my earlier comment not to mention Cuba's involvement in helping to put an end to apartheid in Southern Africa.
Or their brilliant education system (as with their health service FREE TO ALL).
Or the fact that Fidel realised the power of traditional music making musicians civil servants.
Without which most of the Afro, Afro-Cuban Jazz, Bolero, Canción, Chachachá, Charanga, Conga Contradanza, Criolla, Cubatón, Danzón, Descarga, Guajira, Guaracha, Hip Hop, Mambo, Mozambique, Nueva Trova, Pachanga, Pilón, Pregón, Punto Guajiro ,Rock, Rumba (guaguancó, columbia, yambú, batá-rumba, guarapachangueo, Son, Songo, Timba and Trova would have died away long long ago.
Oh and by the way as regards Guantanamo Bay (that little piece of the island the US likes to do it's torturing) America pays the Cuban government $4,085 for more than 50 years now, they have refused to cash the cheques because it hasn't recognised the legitimacy of the lease the US entered into with the country in 1901.
when we can put up a sign like this in the US or Britain (not to mention any other country in the Americas) then you can denounce Cuba's dictatorship
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profesionalespcm.org%2Fcuba%2FCuba97%2Fninguno.gif&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.profesionalespcm.org%2FInfancia%2FSaveTheChildrenPornografiaInfantil.html&docid=ObevvFFSJAfiXM&tbnid=0JSLeOBQlR4voM%3A&vet=1&w=338&h=236&bih=627&biw=1366&ved=0ahUKEwjussymx8nQAhWk6oMKHZZSDq44ZBAzCBYoFDAU&iact=mrc&uact=8
gays and lesbians were sent to do forced labor at UMAP concentration camps.
the entire island was stolen. most of the houses and buildings are from the Batista regime.
You can become a doctor there in a couple of months. That why Fidel was sick he flew in doctors from Spain. LOL
There is no medicines we have to send from here.
Nothing but misery and hunger. But wait! its our fault, we are supposed to underwrite a system whose basis is to destroy us. communism is supposed to destroy capitalism not leech off of it forever. LOL
...he was known for his endless speeches... many people fell in deep sleep! : )
these are plain facts and no admiration at all.
would you be so nice to tell us which country you'd prefer? the usa? supporter of all fascist regimes in the whole world since ww2, fucking up the whole middle east since the brits made the coup against mossadegh? germany, whose cancellor merkel has her head up the arse of the openly islamofascist bastard erdocunt, who genozides the ethnic minorities of his very own country openly with warplanes and heavy artillery and jails and tortures every single critic person? russia with this crazy putin or better nazi-coup-ukraine with the help of the nato? i could go on for ages.
Hasta La Vista, baby!
Somewhere in Hell, Satan is praising Castro for his deeds and gave him his very own sulphur pit. The sulphur pit is located next to Reagan's brimstone walkway, across from Stalin's labyrinth of thorns, and behind Hitler's lava lake.
Fidel: 150.000 people died in "el paredon" are waiting for you......
I don't approve the death penalty and that means one person or a thousand, but let's discuss facts, not propaganda. Where did you read that 150.000 people were executed in Cuba?
The kind of guy who would kill off the middle class of his country for political reasons even though they joined forces with him during the revolution is the kind of guy who would provide free indoctrination to the 'countryside people'. Somehow that unimaginable death and destruction is justified because he supposedly helped more people than he hurt? Only if you let the Commies do the counting and define help will that ever be true.
@Tony Cope
Since you think us Yankee bastards are 'stupid enough to mistake socialism for communism' perhaps you could tell us who said "The aim of Socialism is Communism.' ?
@bearfromDE
RR wasn't perfect but even on his worst day he isn't in the company of those vile beasts. FC could be in heaven now for all we know. He could've repented at the last mo...
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